[5:29]<myhes> hannes: you about? [5:30]<mykes> http://www.tuxradar.com/practicalphp/13/9/0 [5:30]<mykes> Is this same technique possible with helma-1.6.3? [5:30]<mykes> and is helma-1.6.3 going to be supported, or is all work being done on NG from now on? [8:01]<simono> we've seen the firephp, just found firepython for django http://firepython.binaryage.com/ [8:01]<simono> json + console.dir = awesome debugging :) [9:09]<simono> is the order of app.properties maintained when read-in via getAppProperties()? [13:04]<hannesw_> simono: cool [13:04]<hannesw_> how hard would it be to plug helma ng into firelogger? [13:05]<simono> not too hard [13:06]<simono> did a firebug plugin once for helma1 that would show me the skins / macros used to render the current page [13:06]<simono> for ng it's probably a middleware that attaches debug/logging info (json) to the response and the firebug grabs that and pretty prints [13:20]<simono> when I create a helma.File instance and then immediatly write to it (withouth opening it) i don't get an error but it doesnt write either :( [18:58]<andyleclair> hello hello