2008-01-21:
[4:51] <jamestag> hi, just fyi: i just tried accessing http://helma.org/docs/guide/introductions/applications/ and i'm getting a "too many connections" db error.[7:58] <zumbrunn> thanks jamestag, I'll inform hannes as soon as he comes online, so he can look into it[13:55] <zumbrunn> hypersmil, thanks ...the hopbot is back[14:00] <zumbrunn> ...and yep, I got the helma-cvs spam also[15:21] <hypersmil> how does the hopbot work, is it written in helma(js)/java?[15:26] <zumbrunn> it's pircbot based[15:26] <zumbrunn> http://www.jibble.org/pircbot.php[15:26] <zumbrunn> I'm using the pircbot java classes inside a helma app[15:27] <zumbrunn> so, helma controls the pircbot[15:28] <zumbrunn> but helma currently just reads the external pircbot log files to generate the log web pages[15:28] <zumbrunn> helma isn't directly listening/logging the channel[15:31] <zumbrunn> I can go to the shell of the hopbot helma app and enter the command...[15:31] <zumbrunn> global.hopbot.sendMessage('#helma','Hello');[15:31] <zumbrunn> and I get...[15:35] <zumbrunn> http://helma.pastebin.com/f5c3e0377[15:38] <zumbrunn> (logbot is a sub-project of pircbot)[16:10] <hypersmil> so pircbot is started from helma, pircbots writes to file, helma reads from file -> is there a way to read directly from pricbot, meaning to get the onMessage method call?[16:11] <zumbrunn> yes, it should be possible[16:11] <zumbrunn> I had a hard time to get it working though[16:12] <zumbrunn> and so did tobi, I believe, until hannes made some changes in helma[16:12] <zumbrunn> tobi also did some probing with pircbot and helma[16:13] <zumbrunn> (which resulted in "shutdown day the helma way")[16:13] <zumbrunn> http://zumbrunn.com/mochazone/Shutdown-Day+the+Helma+way/[16:16] <hypersmil> an early version of helma REPL :)[16:17] <zumbrunn> :-)[17:10] <bard> *speechless*[18:43] <zumbrunn> http://helma.zumbrunn.net/downloads/anteportas/jhino-0.7.tar.gz[18:44] <zumbrunn> (the e4xd demo app I promised some days ago)[18:51] <zumbrunn> and the related proposal for Helma 1.7:[18:51] <zumbrunn> http://dev.helma.org/wiki/Additional+Filename+Conventions/[19:23] <peter_12> ping[19:23] <zumbrunn> pong :-)[19:24] <peter_12> so I've been playing around with server-side JavaScript for a while. Seems to me something like Helma is the only realistic option right now. It has all the Java goodies and is easy-ish to deploy with Jetty.[19:24] <peter_12> So why isn't helma taking off as the greatest thing ever?[19:24] <zumbrunn> you tell me ;-)[19:25] <peter_12> It seems so obvious to me to use JavaScript on the server-side[19:25] <peter_12> sharing code and all[19:25] <zumbrunn> one thing that certainly slows it down for part of the audience is that it requires java[19:25] <peter_12> I thought that was a downside at first but now I think that is a huge plus[19:25] <zumbrunn> it's not as easy to get hosting for it as php lamp type hosting[19:26] <peter_12> general Rhino folks and jRuby and jython folks think the same[19:26] <peter_12> zumbrunn: I suppose that is true[19:26] <zumbrunn> just from the hosting point of view it's a downside right now[19:27] <peter_12> I'm past that stage in my web development now. Java Hosting is <$20/mo now[19:27] <peter_12> actually I don't want $5/mo[19:27] <peter_12> the service sucks[19:27] <zumbrunn> right :-)[19:28] <peter_12> at those profit margins the service should suck![19:28] <peter_12> haha[19:28] <peter_12> zumbrunn: are the you the Helma project lead and/or founder?[19:29] <zumbrunn> no, that's hannes[19:29] <zumbrunn> I'm just helping out[19:29] <zumbrunn> playing nanny for the project[19:29] <peter_12> does hannes still do much work?[19:29] <zumbrunn> sure, all the time[19:29] <peter_12> ahh ok[19:30] <zumbrunn> we just released helma 1.6.1 after all[19:30] <zumbrunn> (last week)[19:30] <peter_12> ahh. I haven't paid so much attention in the last bit. Holidays and all[19:30] <peter_12> congrats[19:30] <zumbrunn> :-)[20:22] <Tr0y> hello?
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