[8:10]<zumbrunn> hey, aiba, we are discussing you on the helma-user mailing list ;-) [8:10]<zumbrunn> http://helma.org/pipermail/helma-user/2007-December/007250.html [16:17]<aiba> hey i just woke up [16:20]<aiba> i thought i was on the helma-user list but i dont appear to be getting those messages [16:21]<zumbrunn> maybe the mailing list server is acting up again [16:21]<zumbrunn> but I've been getting messages today [16:21]<zumbrunn> maybe you just subscribed to helma-dev [16:22]<zumbrunn> you didn't miss anything since then anyway [16:23]<aiba> nope, actually just got marked as spam [16:23]<aiba> i'm on helma-dev also :) [16:23]<zumbrunn> heh, that's always the other possibility [16:23]<zumbrunn> and generally the more likely one [16:23]<aiba> actually a lot of helma-user mail got marked as spam in my gmail account [16:24]<zumbrunn> it's difficult to extract the real mail from all the spam [16:24]<aiba> i've been missing out! [16:24]<zumbrunn> surprised that is happening on gmail, though [16:30]<zumbrunn> I appreciate what you are doing with AppJet, btw [16:30]<zumbrunn> it's kind of what I had in mind with openmocha [16:30]<aiba> oh, thanks! [16:30]<aiba> re: the php smell, we were actually considering using php in the very beginning [16:31]<aiba> it was a strict requirement for us that a whole app could be written in 1 file [16:31]<zumbrunn> but I never took the plunge to face all the difficult problem that you had to solve to get AppJet up and running [16:31]<zumbrunn> http://zumbrunn.com/mochazone/Helma+powered+AppJet+-+Takeoff%21/ [16:31]<aiba> i can't take credit for any of th real heard problems -- my cofounder david greenspan is a virtual machines expert [16:32]<aiba> i wrote the frontend code that serves appjet.com, using helma [17:30]<hypersmil> zumbrunn: failmode parameter http://dev.helma.org/wiki/New+Skin+Features+in+Helma+1.6/#Unhandledmacros is missing in documentation - should be here: http://helma.org/docs/guide/framework/#macroattributes [17:34]<zumbrunn> right, http://helma.org/docs/guide/framework/ doesn't cover any of the new skin/macro features, actually [17:36]<hypersmil> failmode was the only one that came to my mind when reading the discussion from helma-user :) [17:36]<zumbrunn> yep, thanks! [17:43]<hypersmil> aiba: the appjet editor looks very nice, do you use a free library to highlight the code? [17:44]<aiba> i investigated free libraries but ended up writing my own [17:44]<aiba> it's inspired by this technique: http://marijn.haverbeke.nl/codemirror/story.html [17:46]<hypersmil> i think i found a bug/glitch/security problem in appjet -> (import("../lib/storage")); [17:48]<aiba> interesting, i'm going to have to ask JD about that when he wakes up [17:49]<hypersmil> is it possible to acces java Packages with appjet? [17:50]<aiba> not yet... but we're working on it